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Ferrier
Administrateur
Age : 31
Inscrit le : 15 Aoû 2004
Messages : 13113
Localisation : Nation européenne
 |  Sujet: Re: Paganism and christianism, antic relationships  Mar 19 Juil - 21:05 | |
| Tu es très optimiste, je vois, Valerius. Rome n'est plus dans Rome ? Mais tout n'est pas encore fini.
Il ne faut pas renoncer alors que nous ne sommes que dans un processus certes avancé mais encore minoritaire.
"Garde l'espoir, quand tout est noir, puisque tu es... un chevalier."  |
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Invité
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| | Sujet: Re: Paganism and christianism, antic relationships Sam 3 Sep - 22:48 | |
| Est-ce que l'ouvrage de Pierre de Labriolle La réaction païenne vous dit quelque chose? Publié en 1934, il vient d'être rééditer, je cite mon journal "...ce livre[...] étudie sur cinq siècles la lutte intellectuelle entre paganisme et christianisme"
J'aimerais un avis, il coute tout de même 40€... |
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Ferrier
Administrateur
Age : 31
Inscrit le : 15 Aoû 2004
Messages : 13113
Localisation : Nation européenne
| | Sujet: Re: Paganism and christianism, antic relationships Sam 3 Sep - 22:56 | |
| C'est un grand classique (donc une référence) que je me suis acheté dans l'édition nouvelle que tu évoques il y a quelques mois.
Mais c'est vrai qu'il est cher.
Très intéressant mais je conseille plutôt un ouvrage plus récent:
Ramsay MacMullen, "Christianisme et paganisme. Du IVème au VIIIème siècle." |
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Invité
Invité
| | Sujet: Re: Paganism and christianism, antic relationships Sam 3 Sep - 23:02 | |
| | Merci, et l'auteur? Quelles sont ses qualités? |
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Ferrier
Administrateur
Age : 31
Inscrit le : 15 Aoû 2004
Messages : 13113
Localisation : Nation européenne
| | Sujet: Re: Paganism and christianism, antic relationships Sam 3 Sep - 23:05 | |
| | Un des plus brillants universitaires britanniques sur la question. Auteur de plusieurs ouvrages remarquables et remarqués. |
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Tautalos
Pérégrin
Inscrit le : 13 Sep 2005
Messages : 48
Localisation : Portugal
| | Sujet: Re: Paganism and christianism, antic relationships Mar 4 Oct - 14:43 | |
| | Stahler a écrit: | Je pourrais presque te qualifier de gobinien pour ce que tu viens de dire 
Il existe une dimension supra-humaine, le destin, qu'il ne faut pas négliger. Je ne peux pas croire une seconde que la civilisation européenne va disparaître. Au moment de disparaître, tel Sherlock Holmes face à Moriarty aux bords du précipice, elle va se relever et triompher. |
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm
The fastest growing religion (in terms of percentage) is Wicca -- a Neopagan religion that is sometimes referred to as Witchcraft. Numbers of adherents went from 8,000 in 1990 to 134,000 in 2001. Their numbers of adherents are doubling about every 30 months. 4,5 Wiccans in Australia have a very similar growth pattern, from fewer than 2,000 in 1996 to 9,000 in 2001. 10 In Canada, Wiccans and other Neopagans showed the greatest percentage growth of any faith group. They totaled 21,080 members in 1991, an increase of 281% when compared with 1990.
Si ceci peut arriver aux E.U.A, porquoi non en Europe ? Si le Wiccans réussissent à se disséminer, parce que non les païens ils que sont réellement loyaux au Deuses ancestraux ? À Wicca c'est magie et un morceau d'invention, mais de ce qui peut et doit proposer au Peuple est le simple retour au culte ils dont du Deuses font partie de l'héritage du Peuple. Par plus utopique qui semble - porquoi non?
If this can happen in the U.S.A, why not in Europe? If the Wiccans obtain to spread themselves, why not the heathen, i.e., those who are really loyal to the ancestral Gods? Wicca is magic and a bit of invention, but real Paganism is the simple return to the worship of the Deities that belong to the Folks' heritage.
No matter how utopic it looks - why not?
Speaking about uthopy - wasn't the French Revolution an uthopy twenty years before 1789? |
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Ferrier
Administrateur
Age : 31
Inscrit le : 15 Aoû 2004
Messages : 13113
Localisation : Nation européenne
| | Sujet: Re: Paganism and christianism, antic relationships Mar 4 Oct - 14:56 | |
| I agree you. True paganism is able to born again.
The future of Europe, if Europe may yet have a future, shall be pagan, this is evidence. |
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Valerius
Préfet
Inscrit le : 17 Juil 2005
Messages : 501
Localisation : Strasbourg
| | Sujet: Re: Paganism and christianism, antic relationships Mar 4 Oct - 15:43 | |
| | It is easily understandable that in our time of Europe's decline, Europeans are looking for anything seeming proof of a strong European identity; paganism il one of those ways among many. Thus, paganism increases in Europe, that is right, and will probably continue to do so during a few years, but will probably never have believers enough to have any real pound before the very end. Paganism will be less weak, but will never be strong enough, there is not time and media coverage enough. |
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Ferrier
Administrateur
Age : 31
Inscrit le : 15 Aoû 2004
Messages : 13113
Localisation : Nation européenne
| | Sujet: Re: Paganism and christianism, antic relationships Mar 4 Oct - 15:48 | |
| The future is not written, even by the Moirae.
However, it is true that paganism will be not yet sufficient to create the burst of the european spirit. We will have to compromise. |
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Tautalos
Pérégrin
Inscrit le : 13 Sep 2005
Messages : 48
Localisation : Portugal
| | Sujet: Re: Paganism and christianism, antic relationships Jeu 6 Oct - 11:08 | |
| | Valerius a écrit: | | Thus, paganism increases in Europe, that is right, and will probably continue to do so during a few years, but will probably never have believers enough to have any real pound before the very end. Paganism will be less weak, but will never be strong enough, there is not time and media coverage enough. |
Perhaps. But that is the only honourable way for us. There is no alternative, because the sacred loyalty to our own Gods and ancestors is above all - beyond victory and beyond defeat. It's a matter of duty, not of possibilities, like the Bhagavad-Gita commands («Fight for your duty, not for the fruits of your actions»).
And, like Ferrier says, we don't know the future... if Christianity, served by a bunch of miserable has been able to dominate the entire West, who knows what can happen now regarding the return of the indo-european Gods to their legitimous European thrones? |
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Sigfried
Pérégrin
Age : 17
Inscrit le : 16 Mai 2006
Messages : 14
Localisation : Nation Européenne
| | Sujet: Re: Paganism and christianism, antic relationships Mer 17 Mai - 16:56 | |
| If we took a look at the people, we could see taht many of them don't believe in any god... We can rarely see true chretians, but the people continue to follow the eldest traditions of their country's religion, only in order to have holidays...
The religions like christianism, hindouism, islamism and judaism will stay many years because they are most prevalent in their regions of world...
(Pardon pour les fautes :/ J'ai que 15 ans / Sorry, I can make many errors because am 15 years old) |
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